Comments - My take on Oregon take over of federal building concerning federal land, and farmers adjacent to said land - i-Tube2024-03-29T08:07:14Zhttp://www.i-tube.net/profiles/comment/feed?attachedTo=2724187%3ABlogPost%3A455979&xn_auth=nopeople with this mentality, s…tag:www.i-tube.net,2016-01-06:2724187:Comment:4559912016-01-06T04:41:56.102ZHer Royal Highness Shawny lfrbhttp://www.i-tube.net/profile/HerRoyalHighnessShawnylfrb
<p>people with this mentality, seem to believe that being a martyr gives them a special place in heaven.</p>
<p>look at the paper today concerning ISIS,, they are now going to be using a jihadist. these terror groups come in so many varieties. their reasons are not clear why they prefer murder suicide ,to turning themselves in. I am lost on all of it, anymore.</p>
<p>people with this mentality, seem to believe that being a martyr gives them a special place in heaven.</p>
<p>look at the paper today concerning ISIS,, they are now going to be using a jihadist. these terror groups come in so many varieties. their reasons are not clear why they prefer murder suicide ,to turning themselves in. I am lost on all of it, anymore.</p> There is more to this artical…tag:www.i-tube.net,2016-01-06:2724187:Comment:4561002016-01-06T03:30:09.859ZHer Royal Highness Shawny lfrbhttp://www.i-tube.net/profile/HerRoyalHighnessShawnylfrb
<p>There is more to this artical on wiki .. amazing .. wow</p>
<p>There is more to this artical on wiki .. amazing .. wow</p> My memory of terror is Ruby R…tag:www.i-tube.net,2016-01-06:2724187:Comment:4559892016-01-06T03:29:23.299ZHer Royal Highness Shawny lfrbhttp://www.i-tube.net/profile/HerRoyalHighnessShawnylfrb
<p>My memory of terror is Ruby Ridge </p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge</a></p>
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<p><b>Ruby Ridge</b> was the site of a deadly confrontation and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege" title="Siege">siege</a> in <a class="mw-redirect" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Idaho" title="Northern Idaho">northern Idaho</a> in 1992 between …</p>
<p>My memory of terror is Ruby Ridge </p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge</a></p>
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<p><b>Ruby Ridge</b> was the site of a deadly confrontation and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege" title="Siege">siege</a> in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Idaho" title="Northern Idaho" class="mw-redirect">northern Idaho</a> in 1992 between <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Weaver" title="Randy Weaver">Randy Weaver</a>, his family, and his friend Kevin Harris and agents of the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Marshals_Service" title="United States Marshals Service">United States Marshals Service</a> (USMS) and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation" title="Federal Bureau of Investigation">Federal Bureau of Investigation</a>(FBI). The events resulted in the death of Weaver's son Sammy, his wife Vicki, and Deputy U.S. Marshal William Francis Degan.</p>
<p>At the subsequent federal criminal trial of Weaver and Harris, Weaver's attorney<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Spence" title="Gerry Spence">Gerry Spence</a> made accusations of "criminal wrongdoing" against every agency involved in the incident: the FBI, the USMS, the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureau_of_Alcohol,_Tobacco,_Firearms_and_Explosives" title="Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives">Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms</a> (ATF), and the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Attorney%27s_Office" title="United States Attorney's Office" class="mw-redirect">United States Attorney's Office</a> (USAO) for Idaho. At the completion of the trial, the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Justice" title="United States Department of Justice">Department of Justice</a>'s <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Professional_Responsibility" title="Office of Professional Responsibility">Office of Professional Responsibility</a> formed a Ruby Ridge Task Force to investigate Spence's charges. The 1994 task force report was released in redacted form by Lexis Counsel Connect, an information service for attorneys. It raised questions about the conduct and policy of all the agencies.</p>
<p>The Ruby Ridge incident and the 1993 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege" title="Waco siege">Waco siege</a>, involving many of the same agencies and even the same personnel, caused public outcry and fueled the widening of the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_movement" title="Militia movement" class="mw-redirect">militia movement</a>. To answer public questions about Ruby Ridge, the<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate" title="United States Senate">Senate</a> Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Government Information held a total of 14 days of hearings between September 6 and October 19, 1995, and subsequently issued a report calling for reforms in federal law enforcement to prevent a repeat of Ruby Ridge and to restore public confidence in federal law enforcement.</p>
<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Development">Development</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruby_Ridge&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Development">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2>
<p>Randy Weaver, a former <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa" title="Iowa">Iowa</a> factory worker and U.S. Army combat engineer,<sup id="cite_ref-lewiston2Sept1992_1-0" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-lewiston2Sept1992-1">[1]</a></sup> moved with his family to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Panhandle" title="Idaho Panhandle">northern Idaho</a> during the 1980s in order to "home-school his children and escape what he and his wife Vicki saw as a corrupted world."<sup id="cite_ref-suprynowicz_2-0" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-suprynowicz-2">[2]</a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-3">[3]</a></sup> Vicki, the religious leader of the family, believed that the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse" title="Apocalypse">apocalypse</a> was imminent and believed her family would survive the apocalypse in a remote mountainous area. They bought twenty acres of land on Ruby Ridge in 1983 and began building a cabin.<sup id="cite_ref-4" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-4">[4]</a></sup> The Weaver property was located in northern <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho" title="Idaho">Idaho</a> in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_County,_Idaho" title="Boundary County, Idaho">Boundary County</a>, on a hillside on Ruby Creek opposite Caribou Ridge near <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naples,_Idaho" title="Naples, Idaho">Naples</a>.<sup id="cite_ref-5" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-5">[5]</a></sup></p>
<p>In 1984, Randy Weaver and his neighbor Terry Kinnison had a dispute over a $3,000 land deal. Kinnison lost the ensuing lawsuit and was ordered to pay Weaver an additional $2,100 in court costs and damages. Kinnison wrote letters to the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation" title="Federal Bureau of Investigation">FBI</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Secret_Service" title="United States Secret Service">Secret Service</a>, and county sheriff alleging Weaver had threatened to kill the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope" title="Pope">Pope</a>, the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan" title="Ronald Reagan">President</a>, and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_V._Evans" title="John V. Evans">John V. Evans</a>, governor of Idaho. In January 1985, the FBI and the Secret Service started an investigation. In February, Randy and Vicki Weaver were interviewed for hours by two FBI agents, two Secret Service agents, and the Boundary County sheriff and his chief investigator.<sup id="cite_ref-Jess_Walter_2002.2C_pp._63.E2.80.9365_6-0" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-Jess_Walter_2002.2C_pp._63.E2.80.9365-6">[6]</a></sup> Although the Secret Service was told that Weaver was a member of the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_Nations" title="Aryan Nations">Aryan Nations</a> and that he had a large weapon cache at his residence, Weaver denied the allegations and no charges were filed.<sup id="cite_ref-OPRreportBeginning_7-0" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-OPRreportBeginning-7">[7]</a></sup></p>
<p>The investigation noted that Weaver associated with Frank Kumnick, who was known to associate with members of the Aryan Nations. Weaver told the investigators that neither he nor Kumnick were members of the Aryan Nations and described Kumnick as "associated with the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Covenant,_The_Sword,_and_the_Arm_of_the_Lord" title="The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord">Covenant, Sword, and Arm of the Lord</a>."<sup id="cite_ref-Professional_Responsibility_1994_8-0" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-Professional_Responsibility_1994-8">[8]</a></sup> On February 28, 1985, Randy and Vicki Weaver filed an affidavit with the county courthouse alleging that their personal enemies were plotting to provoke the FBI into attacking and killing the Weaver family.<sup id="cite_ref-Jess_Walter_2002.2C_pp._63.E2.80.9365_6-1" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-Jess_Walter_2002.2C_pp._63.E2.80.9365-6">[6]</a></sup> On May 6, 1985, Randy and Vicki Weaver sent a letter to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan" title="Ronald Reagan">President Ronald Reagan</a> claiming that Weaver's enemies may have sent the president a threatening letter under a forged signature. No evidence of a threatening letter surfaced; however, the 1985 letter was cited by the<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecutor" title="Prosecutor">prosecutor</a> in 1992 as <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overt_act" title="Overt act">overt act</a> 7 of the Weaver family conspiracy against the federal government.<sup id="cite_ref-9" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-9">[9]</a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-Ruby_Ridge_1995_10-0" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-Ruby_Ridge_1995-10">[10]</a></sup></p>
<h3><span class="mw-headline" id="ATF_involvement">ATF involvement</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruby_Ridge&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: ATF involvement">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h3>
<p>The <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureau_of_Alcohol,_Tobacco,_Firearms_and_Explosives" title="Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives">Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms</a> first became aware of Weaver in July 1986 when he was introduced to an ATF informant at a meeting of the Aryan Nations. Weaver had been invited by Frank Kumnick, who was the original target of the ATF investigation. It was Weaver's first attendance. Over the next three years, Weaver and the informant met several times.<sup id="cite_ref-OPRreportBeginning_7-1" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-OPRreportBeginning-7">[7]</a></sup> In October 1989, the ATF claimed that Weaver sold the informant two <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawed-off_shotgun" title="Sawed-off shotgun">sawed-off shotguns</a>, with the overall length of the guns shorter than the legal limit set by federal law. In November 1989, Weaver accused the ATF informant of being a spy for the police; Weaver later wrote he had been warned by "Rico V."<sup id="cite_ref-11" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-11">[11]</a></sup> The informant's handler, Herb Byerly, ordered him to have no further contact with Weaver. Eventually, the FBI informant Rico Valentino outed the ATF informant to Aryan Nations security.<sup id="cite_ref-12" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-12">[12]</a></sup></p>
<p>The ATF agent Byerly had come to regard Kumnick as just a "boastful show-off" and Weaver as even less involved. In June 1990, Byerly attempted to use the sawed-off shotgun charge as leverage to get Weaver to act as an informant for his investigation into the Aryan Nations.<sup id="cite_ref-Ruby_Ridge_1995_10-1" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-Ruby_Ridge_1995-10">[10]</a></sup> It is clear that, after the gun sale occurred, ATF was not so much interested in prosecuting Weaver as in using its case against him as a carrot and stick to force him to become a government informant against those in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_extremist" title="Political extremist" class="mw-redirect">political extremist</a> groups, like the Aryan Nations, who may themselves have been engaged in significant criminal activity involving guns or explosives. When Weaver refused to become "a snitch," the ATF filed the gun charges in June 1990, also claiming Weaver was a bank robber with criminal convictions (those claims were false: at that time Weaver had no criminal record and the subsequent Senate investigation found: "Weaver was not a suspect in any bank robberies."<sup id="cite_ref-Ruby_Ridge_1995_10-2" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-Ruby_Ridge_1995-10">[10]</a></sup>) Weaver denied the sawed-off weapon charge, claiming that the informant had purchased two legal shotguns from him and later shortened the guns. A federal grand jury later indicted him in December 1990 for making and possessing, but not for selling, illegal weapons in October 1989.<sup id="cite_ref-OPRreportBeginning_7-2" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-OPRreportBeginning-7">[7]</a></sup></p>
<p>ATF agents posed as broken-down motorists and arrested Randy and Vicki Weaver when they stopped to assist. Randy Weaver was told of the charges against him, released on bail, and told that his trial would begin on February 19, 1991. On January 22, 1991, the judge in the case notified the attorney Everett Hofmeister that he (Hofmeister) would be serving as Weaver’s attorney; Hofmeister made several unsuccessful attempts to contact Weaver.<sup id="cite_ref-13" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-13">[13]</a></sup> On that same day, Weaver called the U.S. probation officer Karl Richins and informed him that Weaver was instructed to contact him on that date. Richins did not have the case file at that time, so he asked Weaver to leave his contact information and Richins would contact him when he received the paperwork. According to Richins, Weaver did not give him a telephone number.<sup id="cite_ref-DOJReport_14-0" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-DOJReport-14">[14]</a></sup> The defense counsel Hofmeister sent letters to Weaver on January 19, January 31, and February 5 asking Weaver to contact him to work on his defense within the federal court system.</p>
<p>On February 5, the trial date was changed from February 19 to February 20 to give participants more travel time following a federal holiday. The court clerk sent a letter to the parties informing them of the date change, but the notice was not sent directly to Weaver, only to his attorney. On February 7, the probation officer sent Weaver a letter indicating that he now had the case file and needed to talk with Weaver. This letter erroneously indicated that Weaver's trial date was set for March 20.<sup id="cite_ref-DOJReport_14-1" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-DOJReport-14">[14]</a></sup> On February 8, Hofmeister again attempted to contact Weaver by letter informing him that the trial was to begin on February 20 and that Weaver needed to contact him immediately. Hofmeister also made several calls to individuals who knew Weaver asking them to have Weaver call him. Hofmeister told<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Lyman_Ryan" title="Harold Lyman Ryan">Judge Harold L. Ryan</a> he did not hear from Weaver before the scheduled court date.<sup id="cite_ref-15" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-15">[15]</a></sup></p>
<p>When Weaver did not appear in court on February 20, Judge Ryan issued a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bench_warrant" title="Bench warrant" class="mw-redirect">bench warrant</a> for failure to appear in court. On February 26, Ken Keller, a reporter for the <i><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kootenai,_Idaho" title="Kootenai, Idaho">Kootenai</a> Valley Times</i>, telephoned the U.S. Probation Office and asked if the reason that Weaver did not show in court on February 20 was because the letter sent to him by Richins had the incorrect date. Upon finding a copy of the letter, the Chief Probation Officer, Terrence Hummel, contacted Judge Ryan's clerk and informed them of the incorrect date in the letter. Hummel also contacted the U.S. Marshals Service and Weaver’s attorney informing them of the error. The judge, however, refused to withdraw the bench warrant.</p>
<p>The U.S. Marshals Service did agree to put off executing the warrant until after March 20 to see if Weaver would show up in court on that day. If he were to show up on March 20, the DOJ claimed that all indications are that the warrant would have been dropped.<sup id="cite_ref-DOJReport_14-2" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-DOJReport-14">[14]</a></sup> Instead of waiting to see if Weaver would show up on March 20, however, the U.S. Attorney’s Office (USAO) called a grand jury on March 14. The USAO failed to provide Richins’ erroneous letter (which proved that Weaver had been misinformed about his summons to federal court) as evidence to the grand jury, and the grand jury issued an indictment for failure to appear.<sup id="cite_ref-OPRreportBeginning_7-3" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-OPRreportBeginning-7">[7]</a></sup></p>
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<p>When the Weaver case was passed from the ATF to the Marshals Service, no one informed the marshals of the fact that ATF had attempted to solicit Weaver as an informant.<sup id="cite_ref-16" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-16">[16]</a></sup></p>
<p>As the law enforcement arm of the federal court, it was the duty of the U.S. Marshals to bring in Randy Weaver, now considered a fugitive.<sup id="cite_ref-DOJReport_14-3" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-DOJReport-14">[14]</a></sup> Unlike most federal fugitives, who flee across state lines to avoid arrest, Randy Weaver simply stayed at his remote home, threatening to resist any attempt to take him by force.<sup id="cite_ref-17" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-17">[17]</a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-18" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-18">[18]</a></sup></p>
<p>Weaver was known to have an intense distrust of government, and it is believed that the erroneous Richins letter increased this sentiment and may have contributed to his reluctance to appear for trial. Weaver was clearly suspicious of what he viewed as inconsistent messages from the government and his own lawyer and this inconsistency further enforced his belief that there was a conspiracy against him.<sup id="cite_ref-DOJReport_14-4" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-DOJReport-14">[14]</a></sup> Weaver came to believe that he would not receive a fair trial if he were to appear in court. His distrust grew further when he was erroneously told by his magistrate that if he lost the trial he would lose his land, essentially leaving Vicki homeless, and that the government would take away his children.<sup id="cite_ref-19" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-19">[19]</a></sup></p>
<p>U.S. Marshals Service officers made a series of attempts to have Weaver surrender peacefully, but Weaver refused to leave his cabin. Weaver negotiated with U.S. Marshals Ron Evans, W. Warren Mays and David Hunt through third parties from March 5 to October 12, 1991, when Assistant U.S. Attorney Ron Howen directed that the negotiations cease.<sup id="cite_ref-DOJReport_14-5" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-DOJReport-14">[14]</a></sup> The U.S. Attorney directed that all negotiations would go through Weaver's court-appointed counsel; however, Weaver did not have any contact with the attorney and refused to talk with him. Marshals then began preparing plans to capture Weaver to stand trial on the weapons charges and his failure to appear at the correct trial date.<sup id="cite_ref-OPRreportBeginning_7-4" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-OPRreportBeginning-7">[7]</a></sup></p>
<p>Although Marshals stopped the negotiations as ordered, they made other contact. March 4, 1992, U.S. Marshals Ron Evans and Jack Cluff drove to the Weaver property and spoke with Weaver posing as real estate prospects.<sup id="cite_ref-DOJReport_14-6" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-DOJReport-14">[14]</a></sup> At a March 27, 1992 USMS HQ meeting, Art Roderick code named the operation "Northern Exposure".<sup id="cite_ref-20" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-20">[20]</a></sup> Surveillance teams were dispatched and cameras were set up to record activity at Weaver's residence. Marshals observed that Weaver and his family responded to vehicles and other visitors by taking up armed positions around the cabin until the visitors were recognized.<sup id="cite_ref-OPRreportBeginning_7-5" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-OPRreportBeginning-7">[7]</a></sup></p>
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<p>Beginning in February 1991, U.S. Marshals developed a Threat Source Profile on Randy Weaver. The evolution of that profile was later criticized in a 1995 report by a subcommittee of the Senate Judiciary Committee:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Subcommittee is [...] concerned that, as Marshals investigating the Weaver case learned facts that contradicted information they previously had been provided, they did not adequately integrate their updated knowledge into their overall assessment of who Randy Weaver was or what threat he might pose. If the Marshals made any attempt to assess the credibility of the various people who gave them information about Weaver, they never recorded their assessments. Thus, rather than maintaining the Threat Source Profile as a living document, the Marshals added new reports to an ever-expanding file, and their overall assessment never really changed. These problems rendered it difficult for other law enforcement officials to assess the Weaver case accurately without the benefit of first-hand briefings from persons who had continuing involvement with him.<sup id="cite_ref-Ruby_Ridge_1995_10-3" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-Ruby_Ridge_1995-10">[10]</a></sup></p>
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<p>Many of the people used by the marshals as third party go-betweens on the Weaver case—Bill and Judy Grider, Alan Jeppeson, Richard Butler—were evaluated by the marshals as more radical than the Weavers themselves. When Deputy U.S. Marshal (DUSM) Dave Hunt asked Bill Grider about Randy Weaver: "Why shouldn't I just go up there ... and talk to him?" Bill Grider replied, "Let me put it to you this way. If I was sitting on my property and somebody with a gun comes to do me harm, then I'll probably shoot him."<sup id="cite_ref-21" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-21">[21]</a></sup> In the later Department of Justice OPR Ruby Ridge Task Force Report, Grider's words were incorrectly reported as a threat made by Weaver.<sup id="cite_ref-22" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-22">[22]</a></sup></p>
<p>The profile included "a brief psychological profile completed by a person who had conducted no first-hand interviews and was sufficiently unfamiliar with the case that he referred to Weaver as 'Mr. Randall' throughout."<sup id="cite_ref-Ruby_Ridge_1995_10-4" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-Ruby_Ridge_1995-10">[10]</a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-23" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-23">[23]</a></sup> A later memo circulated within the DOJ opined that: "The assumptions of federal and some state and local law enforcement personnel about Weaver—that he was a Green Beret, that he would shoot on sight anyone who attempted to arrest him, that he had collected certain types of arms, that he had 'booby-trapped' and tunneled his property—exaggerated the threat he posed."<sup id="cite_ref-24" class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#cite_note-24">[24]</a></sup></p>
<h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Rivera_helicopter_incident">Rivera helicopter incident</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruby_Ridge&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Rivera helicopter incident">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h3> you are hard to argue, when w…tag:www.i-tube.net,2016-01-05:2724187:Comment:4557972016-01-05T20:42:50.930ZHer Royal Highness Shawny lfrbhttp://www.i-tube.net/profile/HerRoyalHighnessShawnylfrb
you are hard to argue, when we agree, lolololol<br />
my great grand would not do things the way they are.. in the old days more dogs and ranch hands handle the cattle. these guys are not only lazy they are crooks. They have their nerve to call anyone of any sort lazy .
you are hard to argue, when we agree, lolololol<br />
my great grand would not do things the way they are.. in the old days more dogs and ranch hands handle the cattle. these guys are not only lazy they are crooks. They have their nerve to call anyone of any sort lazy .